Разговор со корисник:Future Perfect at Sunrise

Images

As you can see in the Recent changes section, we are acting in accordance to your instructions. Should you have any queries and requests, feel free to ask and instruct any of the administrators. --Б. Јанкулоски^{разговор} 11:50, 5 март 2008 (UTC)

• Use this tag for images that need sorting out: {{Без лиценца}}. As for the rest, I will do my best to clear out everything that I can from mine and other people's images. Also please seek the assistance of other admins for images, because I am not very specialised in them and I don't have bots and other programs that will sort pictures out.

As I said, and i will emphasise this again - please talk to other admins about this problem too. I have neither the time, nor the ability to sort everything on my own. Besides, as I said, I will need technical consultation and collaboration with them. --Б. Јанкулоски^{разговор} 21:50, 16 јуни 2008 (UTC)

Since you're actively tagging images, it's better if you use:

• {{subst:нлб}} (same as en:Template:Nld) - for images with no licence tag, and
• {{subst:ниб}} (same as en:Template:Nsd) - for images with no source specified. --iNkubusse ^A? 14:38, 18 јуни 2008 (UTC)

I deleted all images that you pointed out as invalid for use on mk.wiki. It only remains to contact the user who got the permission from the Vardar Diocese and to ask him to source them for us and to check if all of them come under that permission. For that we will need some little time, although i will try to get that done as soon as possible. If there are any other images that you consider problematic, please let me (and others too) know. --Б. Јанкулоски^{разговор} 06:54, 19 јуни 2008 (UTC)

Bilder

Zuerst hallo Kumpel!! Ich sehe, dass du viele Sorgen über unsere Bilder machst. :-) Dass finde ich voll richtig, aber ich kann garantieren dass meine Bilder in letzte Zeit mit vernünftige Lizenzen sind. Zum Glück habe ich eine menge eigene bilder, die meine kreation sind. Grüss Gott --Raso mk 18:18, 18 јуни 2008 (UTC)

Hello

Θα ήθελα πρώτα να σας ευχαριστήσω για τις αλλαγές που κάνατε, μα επίσης θα ήθελα να μας εξηγήσετε όλους σε τι οφείλονται αυτές οι αλλαγές; Αν συνεχίσετε με αυτήν την συμπεριφορά σας, δυστυχώς θα μας αναγκάσετε να σας μπλοκάρουμε.

Και εφόσον είναι αλήθεια αυτό που ισχυρίζεστε (πώς δεν καταλαβαίνετε τη γλώσσα μας), πώς κι έτσι καταλάβατε τι λένε τα άρθρα και καταφέρατε να αλλάξετε το περιεχόμενό τους;

Thank you for your last five edits, but I would like you to explain us all why you deleted the same part from all five articles? Does it have any ethnic background? Unfortunately, edits like these are considered vandalism on Wikipedia, thus if you continue behaving like this you will be blocked.

And if what you claim is true (that you don't understand our language), how did you understand the content of the articles and were able to change it?

√ гитардэмон √ говори со мной √ 11:02, 30 октомври 2008 (UTC)

I have removed links to that article because, as I said, the article presents an isolated pseudo-scholarly fringe view as if it were fact, at the expense of an overwhelming consensus in the relevant academic discipline to the effect that there never was such a thing as an "Ancient Macedonian alphabet". The article, and by consequence also the links to it, is therefore fundamentally at odds with the principle of NPOV, which demands that all relevant viewpoints be represented, but established academic majority views must be given strong preference over fringe views. As I pointed out on the article talk page, I am also concerned that the article is a copyright violation. If you consider this vandalism, you have a problem; it is purely an effort at improving this encyclopedia and cleaning it from elements which, in the eyes of all the rest of the Wikipedia community, must be an embarassment for your project.

Of course you can block me for this, but be assured that I will consider such an act a declaration of war against the larger Wikipedia community and the most basic principles of the Wikimedia Foundation, and that I would escalate such a conflict through all channels, up to an initiative to have this whole project closed down or its administrative corps forcefully removed by the Foundation.

As for the language, I can figure out just enough to get an idea of what a paragraph is about, based on hints such as recognisable technical terms, wikilinks, knowledge of the subject matter in other languages and general linguistic knowledge. I indeed do not speak the language. Future Perfect at Sunrise (разговор) 11:21, 30 октомври 2008 (UTC)

By the way, you needn't bother writing in Greek, English is fine. I'm German. This probably also answers your question whether my edits have some "ethnic background". I have no Balkanian background whatsoever. Incidentally, over at en-wiki, most Greek contributors consider me shamelessly pro-Macedonian. Future Perfect at Sunrise (разговор) 11:28, 30 октомври 2008 (UTC)

So what you're saying is that the guys here that have written the article just invented the existence of the alphabet? And if, as you say, fringe views still deserve a rightful place in the article, why delete them? And, if the rest of the Wikipedia community looks at us as an embarrassment, why hasn't anyone notified us yet, or why haven't I read that someone is laughing at our Wikipedia, or something alike? And about the copyright violation, we will look into that.

And look I am not familiar with the history of ancient Macedonian or whatever it's called, and I hadn't contributed to the article in any way (this was my first edit to the article), and I generally avoid editing articles related to Ancient Macedonian "stuff" because it's nonsense to me, but still I think (or thought) it's obvious that these edits had to do with your Greek origin, and so I made clear to you that "we might be forced to block you, if you continue". Anyway, you could have first discussed it on the talk pages, or somewhere before editing it. And if you don't like our wikipedia so much, be my guest, be productive and edit the articles in such a way that you think wouldn't embarrass you and the wiki community. If you want to have this wikipedia shut down, just make sure they take a look into the greek and bulgarian wikipedia, just for a comparison to what is written there and to what extent.

And please note that this wasn't written with a hostile tone, even though when I read it again, it sounds so :)

No, MacedonianBoy didn't "invent" the idea, he took it from a publication of two Macedonian academics who have been promoting the hypothesis for a while. As I said, it's an isolated fringe view. It could be legitimately treated in some article, I suppose, but not in a way that simply ignores the established majority view. Unfortunately that's difficult to do in an article entitled "Ancient Macedonian alphabet", because the majority view is that no such thing existed, so the very existence of the article is prejudicial in favour of the fringe view.

By the way, I did open a discussion on article talk. Nobody has answered as yet. About the other articles, doesn't en:WP:BOLD apply in this place?

And no, if you are εντάξει as a Wikipedian, you will not "be forced" to block me. Doing so would be a very obvious violation of Wikipedia policy and the admin code of conduct. Your warning was spurious from the start, and there was nothing wrong in my edits. Indeed, the abusive edits were your unjustified reverts. Future Perfect at Sunrise (разговор) 11:47, 30 октомври 2008 (UTC)

Well, about the edits I have to tell you that we get a lot of vandals everyday here that just promote their Bulgarian and Greek propaganda, and it's always in connection to the Macedonian language and it's history, or to the Macedonian people and it's history. So please forgive me when I say so, but I thought you were just a pesky vandal trying to make a point on how Macedonians are Greek or whatever, and I reverted your edits and sent you a warning, as we usually do with these users, be it older registered users (vandals), or new ones. After, I checked that you were actually an admin on en.wiki (meaning that you are not a vandal), and realized that I am not dealing with nonsense. Anyway, I would please ask you not to edit these articles for a while, until we clarify some things on this Wikipedia, things that have bothered me for a longer while, like excessive nationalism and things of such sort from some of our users. And, I am glad that someone actually shares the same/similar views with me (I am talking about you), even though it might sound a bit awkward to you. √ гитардэмон √ говори со мной √ 11:56, 30 октомври 2008 (UTC)

Okay. Just so you understand better where I'm coming from in terms of the content issue, the English articles on en:Rosetta Stone and en:Demotic (Egyptian) present the established majority view. The authors in question took a text that is otherwise universally acknowledged to be as straightforwardly Egyptian as this sentence here is straightforwardly English, invented a set of new sound-symbol mappings for the script, and "reconstructed" a text that looks, not like a realistic ancestor of modern Macedonian of 2000 years ago, but like modern Macedonian itself. Total bullshit on more than one level. Future Perfect at Sunrise (разговор) 12:08, 30 октомври 2008 (UTC)

Well my point exactly, but most of the users are extremely proud of their Macedonian origin, and would try to do everything to prove it's true, even though it's obvious that it's false. The resemblance to today's Macedonian means it's also in resemblance with Bulgarian, Russian etc. which means that either they're all non-Slav (because as they say this language is of the ancient Macedonians which were not Slavs), or that the ancient Macedonians were Slavs. A huge load of crap, regarding both matters. But first, let me discuss this with the other users, let's see if they come to their senses after this helping remark by you. Thank you.

√ гитардэмон √ говори со мной √ 12:59, 30 октомври 2008 (UTC)

Старомакедонска азбука

Hello, friend. you're right. I protected this article, just because of the bringing the template. Perhaps, you're right. This article is copyrited in its first edits. But the theme of the article is being popularized in Macedonia by two high level educated proffesors (Aristotel Tentov and Tome Boševski).

With the editing of the article were broken some wikirules. I know it, but this article was featured on the main page of the mk.wiki at the time of 25 to 31 of August. For me bigger mistake is to delete featured article, although it has broken some wikirules. We're small society and we're working on checking up the informations on the external links. Nobody hasn' t deleted this page, after it commonly we chose the article as featured and I think there isn't another reason to delete it after all. Perhaps if it was marked to be deleted, we wouldn't chose it and we would delete it checking up the whole website. Also, the whole article doesn't depend on the website you've put as a source.

I'm sorry, but mk.wiki grows up every day. We're just 15-20 everyday editors and I hope it will be changed. We make mistakes. It' s true, but we're working on introducing another wikistandards which weren't on mk.wiki. Few days ago, we've introduced the recension project and not far from now, we'll take bigger care on respecting wikirules and wikiprinciples. Regards.--Kiril Simeonovski (разговор) 14:08, 31 октомври 2008 (UTC)

It's true. You'll be blocked if you continue editing outside of the neutral point of view. You want to implement greek interests on mk.wiki. We will stop you and your vandalism. We don't care about greek Wikipedia and we want to stop the care of the greek or grkophilistic editors to deviate on macedonian wikipedia. It doesn't mean that mk.wiki depends to Macedonians, but the articles on mk.wiki are edited based on real sources which contributes to the neutral point of view.--Kiril Simeonovski (разговор) 17:03, 31 октомври 2008 (UTC)

Hello man. I'm really sorry about blocking threat. I was so nervos, because of this discuss and I got really rude. I can unprotect the article if you want, but tell me why you didn't tell how to transform the article in to right order, which doesn't lead to deletion of the article? The article isn't copied from the external link at all. Maybe the text is same, but somethintg is changed. About the images. I haven't worked on wikipedia commons. If they were there, why you ddn't delete them? And about the neutral point of view, i have already told you, that it isn't use for Macedonia. It was claimed by two high level educated proffesors and it was writtemn on the Rossete stone?

And please, if you want to discuss about this theme talk with another admin or all admins on mk.wiki, or talk with MacedonianBoy, the editor of this article. I can help you, but I'm not alone on mk.wiki. I must work commonly wirth other editors on mk.wiki. I can't alone delete theese images and the article. Therefor, activate another for this dissucssion. Regards.

Right. I checked up this with the images. You guess, but it's not like it is written. First theese images doesn't depend on theese criterias. Second, how did you know that theese images depend on theese criteria and must be deleted as soon as possible, when you say that you don't speak macedonian? Third and finally, the article Старомакедонска азбука doesn't depend on the criterias of ВП:КББ. This is the explaination at last. You've found it. And the criterias on ВП:КББ are standard wiki criterias. If you suspect it, write it on the discuss page, or explain why you do you think it. i think you're not right. You don't speak macvedonian and you can't judge what should have be done, even you have translated the articles in to your native language.--Kiril Simeonovski (разговор) 18:37, 31 октомври 2008 (UTC)

And , please can your answer on my question. What do you think, we should do to with theese elements to avoid deleting.

Please give the attachment of your answer on the discuss page of the article, or here.--Kiril Simeonovski (разговор) 18:40, 31 октомври 2008 (UTC)

Дозволата од професорот

Look at this man. This is the permission from the author of the images, that says that the images are free to use. --Kiril Simeonovski (разговор) 20:22, 31 октомври 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry about ist form. It' mail, because when the user Macedon ian Boy asked for permission, he did it by sending mail to the author of the images and the whole website. If you don'tb believe try to translate it on language that you understand. I think, at the end this will finish, and we'll start cooperating. Regards.--Kiril Simeonovski (разговор) 20:27, 31 октомври 2008 (UTC)

ОкIt's cleared. Sorry about the all problems in the discussion. First theese non-free images were licensed as free. Nobody knows it. Then, I must check up the infomation from user MB who is responisble for the upload of the images. And, then i saw that the permission is accorded to be just for Wikipedia. Not for all users on Internet. I'm really sorry that I've made a lot of critics against you, before checcking up theese information. The images seemed like to be correctly uploaded. But nobody haven't seen it. For this, I want to thank you and I think you'll help us in other ways.

As a apologize, please receive this small award

As a apologize I want to give you The random acts of kindness barnstar.

Regards. --Kiril Simeonovski (разговор) 03:37, 1 ноември 2008 (UTC)

Replaceble fair use images

Hi, as per your question here, you can use {{subst:зфу}} to tag fair use images that are replaceable/illegible. Btw, User:iNkubusse has been inactive for a few months, so he might not reply. --Brainmachine^wtf? 18:24, 8 февруари 2009 (UTC)

Reason?

Give proper reason for putting your awful tags. Stop following the users here, its not your job as far as I am introduced with your duties (given by someone). Go on the Albanian Wikipedia and take a deep look there and there mess with the pictures. And the tag that you have put on the picture, is not the correct on, there is a explanation and please, please do not edit here since your Macedonian is zero. You do not understand what is written in the templates for depiction of the images. --MacedonianBoy 23:07, 8 февруари 2009 (UTC)

For example here and here. And explain to us this template that is used and this category. Have a fun while putting tags.--MacedonianBoy 23:17, 8 февруари 2009 (UTC)

I can read enough Macedonian to work out that the tag you had on your image is saying the same as en:Template:fairusein, and the one I put on it, as recommended by Brainmachine, says the same as en:Template:rfud. Which is exactly what I meant to say. I'll ignore the rest of your rather incoherent babble. Future Perfect at Sunrise (разговор) 06:53, 9 февруари 2009 (UTC)

Notice

Hey Future, what's new? In case you haven't noticed, I'm inactive for a few months now and I've lost every track here. I see User:Balkanec helped you with your query (thank you Alex); you can also ask User:Brainmachine if you need anything else here. Those two are my personal recommendations for any of your cross-project administrative needs. :)

By the way, I came across this statement of yours: "I can read enough Macedonian to work out that..." Do you mean you understand some? If you do, or at least if you want to, I'm really willing to help you out. I can teach you basic stuff or you can ask me about petty terms or usual expressions and phrases. Please let me know. --iNkubusse ^A? 21:12, 9 февруари 2009 (UTC)

Hello

Just to be clear, when I upload pictures I do it on Commons, not here. Few pictures are uploaded here and the comment I have given on your English page was useful indeed. You saw that the Macedonian Wikipedia is perfect compared with the one where you were "welcome" very good and did nothing. I usually do not upload pictures, I create articles. Regards--MacedonianBoy (разговор) 15:18, 9 март 2009 (UTC)

We are very glad that you are doing us a favour. We have no time to put tags but put tags for the other users too. Thanks again, since I do not care about the pictures. But there is a problem. About the puicture Гоце Николовски.jpg you have put template that that picture can be replaced. It can only be done if I dig up his grave and take picture of his skeleton. Be aware of it.--MacedonianBoy (разговор) 15:37, 9 март 2009 (UTC)

that's very sad for his skeleton, certainly. But it appears you took the image from a commercial news source, and your use of it is in direct competition to theirs, so it fails the demand of "respect for commercial opportunities". You need to find an image that at least has no commercial value for its owners. For instance one that was widely used as a free-of-charge publicity image on his own website, or by his own heirs when he died. Future Perfect at Sunrise (разговор) 15:42, 9 март 2009 (UTC)

It's a bit problematic, unfortunately. --MacedonianBoy (разговор) 15:44, 9 март 2009 (UTC)

Danke

Herzlichen Dank für euer Link hier, das das feindliche Verhältnis auch zu anderen Ausländern zutage bringt. Bislang wußte ich nicht, daß einige Benutzer aus der EJRM auch Deutschen gegenüber barsch sein könnten, folglich bin ich nicht der einzige, der darunter gelitten hat. Aber aus allen Ausländern läßt man sich am häufigsten über Bulgaren aus, das ähnelt den Beziehungen Deutsche-Polen in gewissem Maße, aber noch schärfer. Gruß Потребител:Bogorm (разговор) 15:59, 9 март 2009 (UTC)

Kannst du einmal die Klappe halten! --Р ашо 16:05, 9 март 2009 (UTC)